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Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:52:00 -
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A curious question. After a recent bump into The Summit channel and frequent visits to this forum, I find myself absolutely baffled at the hate posed toward Tibus Heth, Empress Jamyl, or any of these other characters of the various factions.
Yet not even a blink of Sansha Kuvakei and his advocates here.
Moreso, how many of you knew that members of True Slave Foundations are actually moderators of The Summit, exercising their power to intervene the moment anyone brings up a subject they personally don't like?
(No channel rules were violated or were going to be violated during this process in any way.)
SoGǪ Trillons have died, been abducted, stolen, and placed into one man's vision of a utopia who is at war with all the societies we each voice for.
And we are completely fine with their minions running our Summit?
JustGǪ mind.. blown.
Just another capsuleer,
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:27:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Saber1 wrote: A more in-character question from me: why is he a moderator in the first place? Because the man has more tact and capable judgement in his artificial pinky than most of you troglodytes do in your whole being.
A True SlaveGǪ You're making that statement about a True Slave.
Clearly you must be a seeded Sansha agent to make such a statement.
Perhaps this entire forum and that channel become a host for these True Slaves after all!
Just another fact making it more and more disgusting to call myself a capsuleer these days. |
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:03:00 -
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Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Doesn't the crazy woman have interests with Diana Kim?
Possible smokescreen?
The only smokescreen here is those trying to hide the fact that there is a threat far worse than any seeded Federal influencer or Imperial heretic, and it brews from within this forum and what has been advocated the meeting ground channel for all four of our empires.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:46:00 -
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Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening... |
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:54:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening... Considering channels change just like anything else in time, the most I've seen Tiberious ban someone for was showing their genitals on the channel. You are diving way too much into a channel where it bounces from politics to sex, then back to some sort of other sex way too seriously Isis. If you don't like how things are ran or think there will be some doomsday due to the Summit I'd suggest you either join the Sphere or something else of that nature.
Scroll up, the question isn't about him banning people. The question is why is it him banning people?
He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.
THAT PART. GǪis the problem here. |
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:00:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.
There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? |
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:08:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on. There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess.
With the number of other channels functioning in similar operation, no wonder I'm laughing so hysterically at that statement.
I think you need to go back to the academy and retake your social behavior classes. |
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:25:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Pilot Dea, your issue seems to be sand in places that we have alot of enemies. The Amarr Empire too has alot of enemies. However like the Empire we also have allies. So, in your opinion, what percentage of New Eden has to hate me before I am magically incapable of being neutral in a setting that requires it for continued diplomatic operation?
It's not the percentage of hate, as Saber put, it is the question of legality.
You are an enemy of all four empires.
You aren't neutral. You're a heart-ripping reminder of injustice at large, regardless of whoever you support.
And for you drift aimlessly around as a neutral party only infuriates those who've suffered to that injustice further, especially from a place of moderation.
Yet it isn't just you. It is every illegal or envisioned evil party that is empowered to moderate or have a large say within this community.
I'll swallow the Amarr, my kind and them will always be enemies that have to find new ways to tolerate each other.
But Sansha? And God knows who comes next?
**** no.
This is New Eden. Even the law-abiding community gets a say. Especially what it comes to the grounds of what should be neutral across the four empires. |
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:31:00 -
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Perhaps that's the key point here.
The Summit isn't neutral. It has degraded into the foul corner of New Eden where all the criminals get to hang out and are protected from the wrath of their actions.
So entirely disgusting... |
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:44:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Aura'lynn Vindaktris wrote:Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied. Which factions? Signed, A Curious Party Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special.
The Summit = Home of criminal. Minus a few parties. No attacks and drama please. Mind you, we already own all the seats of power, no contending the other invested parties.
So entirely disgusting...
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:02:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Isis Dea is free to exclude herself from The Summit due to issue with Tiberious as a member of Nation, as is anyone else - but doing so is their own choice unless and until their behavior becomes issue enough for the moderators to make that choice for them. Until then, she (and everybody else) will just need to accept the fact that, yes, he is a moderator.
There is no issue with Tiberious. There would have been had he taken issue with my involvement of the sex trade, while he is a walking advocate of mass abduction.
I will not be leaving but he won't have my respect as a character. He is an enemy of my people, of my friends, of all that I have stood to be as a capsuleer. There are many people I have kept close who suffer severely because of what his people have done and continue to do.
His opinions, and those within his corporate entity, are vile. They set off a hate that burns hotter than anything I hold against the Amarrians.
Sansha is evil.
I'm sure many share this opinion. I'll try my absolute damnedest not to let that get in way of my interactions on The Summit. But the longer I hold that back, the more it eats at me.
Am I letting down all those who are suffering because of their actions by not ripping them a new one every chance I get?
After all, that's what the victims are feelingGǪ
No promises.
I'm an immortal, already fighting for so many that aren't here today. It hurts enough as it is. |
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:10:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:
What I do not share is the opinion that he is unfit for a very specific task of moderation due to his loyalties.
There was never a question there.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:09:00 -
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I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity.
I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.
This channel does not in the slightest hold assembly of any legal parties in accordance with CONCORD standards. I think it's about time we stop associating with a pen of pirates. |
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:40:00 -
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Saber1 wrote:
For all of the channel's claims to be a melting pot of all the legal or illegal societies, the present voices for each of the empires is NOT elected and based purely off opinions of those already in power in the channel.
It is people at work, Saber. People want power and are afraid to lose it when they have tasted it.
This channel is a cute example from which you can witness people at work. I might appear to be an outcrying character calling for change but the truth is there's really no where else I'd rather be.
I won't take my interactions elsewhere. I just am reaching out to (true) CONCORD now and other parties behind the power of the capsuleer network to request a channel that isn't soGǪ I like how you put it, corrupt.
Graelyn wrote:
Oh look, this catchrag is still posting.
Bleat and sob whatever you like to whomever would submit themselves to your wailing.
I Am True Amarr. I administrate my Holdings to the standards by which they are given unto my charge, by whatever means I see fit, worm.
If a Discarded Slave Bangtoy like you intends to question a Holder's will, no matter the subject, I've got a Holy Sceptre you can apply your only skillset to.
Oh I like you.
Let me give you something a little worse to get your panties in a twist over, your highness..
Did you know that I get to order around Holders every day?
Did you know that I carry two slaver hounds from a Sarum estate whom I use to execute said Holders when their opinion carries any different contrast to my own?
Did you know that entities within the Empire actually do not question my treatment of Amarrian assets and people because I'm an immortal?
I also have some adorable news for you:
Did you know that everyone considers you and I are now equals?
I practically love it. |
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:05:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:
Did you know that everyone considers you and I are now equals?
I doubt you could find ten or twenty capsuleers in this entire forum who think you the equal of the Cardinal. Name names. Also, how about starting your own channel? Oh wait, no one likes you and you are rather unpopular, and it will be a sad and lonely thing. Prove me wrong.
I like how you really don't read prior statements.
1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators.
2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.
Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.
Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.
I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.
I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave.
I'm not going anywhere.  |
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:30:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:I like how you really don't read prior statements. 1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators. 2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening. Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation. Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction. I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around. I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave. I'm not going anywhere. That doesn't look like a list of capsuleers who consider you the equal of the Cardinal. Still waiting, worm. And you are of course welcome to stay in the channel so long as you keep it cordial and abide by the rules set forth by the Cardinal. If you reach a point where your masochistic interest in remaining under the aegis of capsuleers you dislike so much proves to no longer stimulate you, let me know and I will be happy to remove you.
Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral.
It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it.
I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so.
Only you'll be proving the double standard.
Caellach Marellus wrote:I've no power, nor clout within the Summit, and nothing to cling on to as you so claim against all who are critical of you.
Even I find you to be a self pitying mewling child. What actual credibility your original statement had regarding ethics and members of TSF was lost in the ranting of your oversized ego, refusing to take accountability for the reasons you're disliked. Quit making excuses for your own social failings.
SoGǪ ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?
I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs. |
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:45:00 -
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Saber1 wrote:
So you claim the channel is built to favor the opinion of the Amarr? Specifically, the Cardinal?
What happened to all views/aspects of New Eden?
EDIT: FYI characters are going to spit in a number of people's faces all the time because of where they come from and who they are. Victims of Sansha are one of the main points Miss Dea is referencing as an example of this.
And you beat me to it. |
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:38:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Isis Dea wrote:
SoGǪ ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?
I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs.
The substance was lost in your own irritating attitude, I don't need the opinions of others to help me formulate my own. Especially opinions that come from people I hold no reason to want to associate with. Of course feel free to impersonate an Ostrich, stick your head in the sand and yell loudly that everyone is just grouping up together to pick on you. Poor innocent, unassuming you. Don't worry, your ego will keep you company, that and your sock puppet.
Attitude be that irritating to you, eh? I question your neutrality, again.
The only people I've attacked have been the channel favorites, partners, and moderators. For you to take offense means you're somehow trying to include yourself there.
Consider yourself amongst the accused then, since you're so determined to be there.
Only now you're clearly mad and have stopped contributing anything worthy of note. |
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Still waiting for the list of "everyone" who considers you Graelyn's equal.
Or were you exaggerating your qualifications?
I could care less who else might consider me an equal. I consider myself an equal; as much as the True Slaves consider themselves worthy of contributing even if their presence offends a great many.
And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?
Or even ban?
No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price. |
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:09:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
This is your statement regarding the Cardinal.
You will choose to prove this, or you will henceforth by definition be a liar.
And as stated before so long as you don't break any channel rules you are more than welcome to stay and enjoy the company of others. Enjoy your stay in the summit!
Oh no, that opinion has been and can be purely from the opinions of the empires and the mortals.
Unless all you care about are the opinions of other immortals?
In that case I'll certainly never be a favorite. As my life's profession is highlighting how incredibly foul you really areGǪ
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:13:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself?
A little overdue since this entire topic has been an attack on the original poster.
Eye for an eye. If that's how people want to play this game, we'll play it their way.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:31:00 -
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Bai'xao Meiyi wrote:
This is by far the most despicable thing I've ever heard from a priest of any kind. Arrogant, disgusting, racist, violent, utterly unnecessary and deeply educational as to just what sort of people guard the Amarr faith. People who will gladly side with a criminal organization of soul destroying infidels who abduct millions hailing from his own faith at every opportunity and a psychopathic Blood Raider who gladly puts thousands of lives in peril, simply for gambling's sake just to spew forth filth at an ex slave.
The fact that you share a title with Kithrus, disgusts me. Such a vile little man gets to be on the same level as him, is trusted to educate anyone on morality and faith.
There are many double standards at work in The Summit than just the ones I've raised. An example of how corrupt the channel really has become.
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread?
An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.
Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one.
And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club.
Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this. |
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
'Intergalactic Summit' is an alternative channel that is I believe officially neutral?
It does not seem very popular, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with the few people who spend time there?
I'm sure when it comes to the services of chatting and (truly) sharing the opinions of all New Eden, another channel will surface in time that can actually do what it says it does. Without bias, preferred.
Karmilla Strife wrote:Bla bla, the opinions of those beneath all of our statusGǪ
I find it cute that you consider the sum of your being to a social rank that is written off the opinion of a channel that is anything but neutral.
You're something else. |
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Isis Dea wrote:
An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.
Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one.
And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club.
Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this.
I see. Thank you for your answer. I think she's going for some sort of Martyr status and hoping to be ejected from the Summit. Afterwords a popular revolt in the channel! "BRING BACK ISIS!" they will demand. BRING BACK OUR CHAMPION. Their voice will shake the heavens.
The fact you imply I would be ejecting for carrying the opinions I have implies you're anything but neutral.
I question your right to be a moderator or to even moderate, since I am a voice of New Eden and my issues surface from the foundations of each of the empires (where especially it comes to the example of Sansha). At times, especially if true to the character in the mirror, there will be people who will hate you for being youGǪ
And you ban them rather than welcome their opinion.
That's an act only fitting for scum. |
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To Katrina Oniseki:
Which of the eight moderators do you 'question the right to moderate'?
The following I question the right to "publicly" moderate The Summit ((with no offense to any of them personally)):
- Tiberious Thessalonia - The man is an enemy to 90% of New Eden. To stay true to ourselves (if part of said side of New Eden) means we're attack him constantly. That plus even suggesting his own opinion automatically brings many to want to fight/contest it due to his affiliation alone.
- Ava Starfire - Her taboo of edgy conflicts and subjects cause her to dodge a far percentage of what actually is New Eden, especially where you dare let all sides of New Eden be involved. That and she doesn't voice radical Minmatar nor the Tribes outside her own very well.
- Silas Vitalia - Her particular brand of Sani Sabik is very untraditional of others following the Sani Sabik way and those of the Empire should be allowed to follow their leaders in condemning her and her faith. I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should.
Other than that I have no issue with any of the channel's moderators.
What is your overall and/or specific opinion on each of the eight moderators of The Summit?
- This part is key: I love them. They are sharp examples of sides of New Eden and bring to show flavors any pilot should be exposed to with time. They're bold, strong in their opinions, and back themselves formidably. Yet as moderators, especially when such examples such as those I raise within this topic surface, that nature can get in the way of maintaining neutrality very quickly.
Do these opinions reflect your overall opinion of the Summit's content?
- Not just my own, but a vast many others who've recently reached out to me. If you're ever wondering about why strong characters haven't been surfacing recently or sought to desire seat within contributing to the channel's purpose, that's why. They have been cut down by these views.
If one were to avoid connecting to The Summit, what would be an alternative venue you'd suggest to them?
- At this point, I find neutrality is truly impossible. At least not without allowing personal attacks and characters to bound off each other, even in the edgy nature I try to bring to show. I'd recommend more focused channels featuring the sides of certain laws. But I don't want to give up on the melting pot just yet...
Do you take issue with The Summit the users, the moderators, or the way the channel works?
- I find the channel's purpose incredibly noble, yet entirely impossible. Yet I've not lost complete hope, hence why I don't want to run just yet. I think it's more a justice to let all of you know there's something wrong. Even if it means shadowing the meaning of this topic under an attack. I'm afraid that's just more myself, a character sticking true to herself, working. Any additional issues have already been (or are further down) listed.
Do you feel that you could improve these issues? If so, how?
- Moderators moderate indirectly, from the shadows, without expressed opinion and intervene only when there's been a clear violation. Classic goers of the channel should know that if they want proper intervention, they need to bait the troubled characters into truly going too far.
- Personal attacks should be entirely allowed if you're truly allowing even the controversial to thrive amongst the populace. At least to a large (but certain) extent.
- If you truly want a state of neutrality then you shift the channel's ownership (publicly) to CONCORD and the rightful owners of the IGS (as to imply within your channel's title). Also denying posers of the CONCORD ((CCP)) affiliation would add a large extent of legitimacy.
Up to this point, while surely not an official channel, this channel has functioned very similarly to one, providing users with the largest community of capsuleers for a forum. That is something incredibly spectacular but also heralds a very large responsibility.
In your opinion, what would be the single most important change to the Summit?
- Reintegrate neutrality. Should that be the freedom of personal attacks and the true floodgates of New Eden's dark nature opened. Or catering to certain laws and holding true to them. In either case, eliminate personal opinions of moderators affecting any act of moderation.
DISCLAIMER:
Please do not use these words against me. I am one of the worst examples of any potential moderator and have absolutely no intention of trying to play that role nor climb any social ladder. I've been sitting very quiet for a very long time since the earlier days of The Summit, patiently watching it plummet into what it is now.
It didn't start this way. Even if it means condemning myself amongst the majority to raise these issues to light, I will. I won't wear gloves, I won't be nice, I'll insult far more than I'll likely contribute.
But that is also me, my character, and the curse of.
Just another shade of New Eden,
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:44:00 -
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Then perhaps one final question and this one's probably the bread and butter of the entire topic: am I going to be banned for being me?
Judging by the number of people claiming to know what it is I am and are doing, I would like to say you already know me.
However as I look in the mirror I find myself fulfilling a role I honestly think no one prior to me has fulfilled, especially when it comes to the realm of radical Matari.
You say you envision a melting pot, but how well does a melting pot accommodate a girl who really doesn't know her place and refuses to settle? Who dares to even look the Cardinal in the eye and claim he's still a man and only that? Who dares to hold each capsuleer to a standard, even if it is a evil one? Who shines a warped silver light into what we find as taboo within society, not just the slave trade but the pleasure field within it, and those who find their escape there? The Matari who represents the disunity, believes in the violence, doesn't fear death but doesn't seem to know life either, who prides herself in the barbaric nature that many Amarrians would "rightfully" claim of her race?
A bold little vagabond amongst the stars, dabbling with the forbidden, shivering within the cold but finding home there, amongst the gnawing and mashing of metallic teeth... playing pirate because the immortal crowd sickens her but too many have invested within her to ever truly give up.
Is there room for her here?
Or for the sake of the stars does the little black hole need to find somewhere else? |
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote: I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should. Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?
As demonstrated within this thread, easily. Even Saber pointed out where you crossed a line.
Nonetheless, I would like to stay. And of course to be a thorn in people's side as usual.
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.
Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume its only a matter of time. |
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:
This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time. So you admit you have no evidence of moderator actions by myself being unjustified, and are basing your horrible opinion of my moderation on possible future actions? You stay classy.
Horrible to you. I've taken you for your implied word, Miss Vitalia. Someone would be stupid not to.
The fact you're this sore over this could easily be another example.
Instead of fighting to get me to say something for you, how about just simply and originally saying, "Thank you for your opinion, Isis. I don't agree with it but you're welcome to it."
I think that would you properly telling me and anyone else monitoring this topic that you really don't let your personal opinion get in the way.
That would be a neutral response.
A moderator response. |
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?
I'm actually at a loss of words now. What is it again you're looking for from me?
And Ava you'd be surprised to know only you've called me an idiot and it was ironically after I called you out in not knowing or caring to learn the other views present within Minmatar society.
You were and have been hell-bent on adopting peaceful resolutions and any use of violence implies we're senseless killers and as you'd put it... idiots.
I don't want to say how many Matari pilots, especially ex-UK ones, laughed at you that day.
P.S. Please don't tell me you're going to use that terrible show of force on the border as your excuse to being Minmatar... the moment you started advocating peaceful resolutions was the day so many of us lost faith in you.
Mind you, that was some time ago. Things do change. |
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Ava Starfire wrote:
You are an idiot.
And now, you're lashing out because you're upset that people called you one.
Also, you should probably name the people in U'K who supposedly said/did this. I'll wait.
It's almost like you really didn't read anything in this thread.
It's been a long time since you called me an idiot, Ava, at least to my face. Part of me was really hoping it would just be the mutual understanding of two different shades of Matari that put difference between us now. I guess I was wrong.
If that's the case then consider the feeling mutual. I consider you an idiot as well. Happy?
Is this considered a personal attack of a moderator? Am I going to be banned now?
Since apparently Miss Starfire didn't really read a single thing to what this topic was really about. |
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Ava Starfire wrote:
Youre an idiot.
And you've not changed a bit, it seems. Still the limited minded hippie you were then too.
Would it help if I joined you in calling myself an idiot?
Seriously? After all, I actually was one to expect better of you. |
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Scherezad wrote:Ms. Dea, if I may;
This is twice now in the same conversation that you have made claim about a group of people holding some opinion or belief, and then when asked to supply names, you have then changed the subject. I don't mean to cast doubt on your position, but it does raise questions. Perhaps this is something best addressed now, before continuing?
Isis Dea wrote:
2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.
Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.
Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.
I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.
Isis Dea wrote:
And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?
Or even ban?
No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.
See prior posts. I'm not about to put people on the spot because you want to have a witch hunt.
No. You deal with me. |
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:33:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:
This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time. Despite being a moderator for some time, Silas has not, to my knowledge, ever let her ego get in the way of her judgment on the Summit. Given the great dislike certain parties have of her, I suspect that if she'd abused the position in any way, the complaints would be loud and clear. She's not popular enough to have slip ups forgiven.
I'll take your word for it then. I only hope people are allowed to act truly within their own ways around her, as the Sani Sabik faith she carries is very different that the traditional Sani Sabik ways.
Just like with Sansha. If I or anyone else attacks her because of her faith being completely outlawed within their own society, I would hope she is capable of letting it roll off her and not take it personally?
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:28:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:I have no interest in hunting anyone, ma'am. It is more about the credibility of the claims that you are making. I think that's where you're losing some traction in your arguments.
You might not. Others here have another story. There's a reason most people use a friend or a false face to make a statement these days, for if your opponent can deface you or even rip your credit apart any weight to your argument has been lost.
I'm not about to put what few friends I can call my own to that. I'm sorry.
If I'm to suffer discredit for this, so be it. Dismiss my words as an opinion alone and be on your way. |
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